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| judi | turned on guest access |
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| AKMA | Heath, are you in DC? I'm assuming not, but if you're here I want to say Hi |
| AKMA | s/DC/Silver Spring |
| Apr 1 | 8:35 AM |
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| Heath R. | I am in DC, AKMA. Would love to hang out at some point. Will look for you during the break! |
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| AKMA | Will check in, have to leave at midday |
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| Apr 1 | 8:40 AM |
| Iz W. | Bruce is brilliant |
| Iz W. | |
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| Apr 1 | 8:45 AM |
| Micah S. | I feel more secure already |
| Izumi A. | has entered the room |
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| Michael W. | |
| Jim R. | where would we be without F5 |
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| Brad T. | Nothing, and everything |
| Aleecia M. | That's one of the best intros I've ever heard |
| Brett G. | A thousand points of light? |
| Brad T. | |
| Brett G. | Man is born good, but... |
| Brad T. | Are they a minority in the house, now? |
| Iz W. | Is there a minority in the house? |
| Brett G. | The
Internet is the most human thing in the world, because it was entirely
designed by humans. Which is obviously both good and bad.... |
| Brett G. | Not to mention the Numa Numa dance. |
| Apr 1 | 8:55 AM |
| Mary B. | Contrary
to yesterday's comment Portland's Community Fiber Net is very much
alive! The WiFi project is facing some challenges but the PDX CFN has
unanimous City Council support! Fiber Up! |
| Brett G. | |
| Brett G. | Cowboy sideways |
| Iz W. | go mary beth! way to stick up for your fiber! |
| Paul B. | has entered the room |
| Dean L. | has entered the room |
| Dean L. | hello all |
| Brett G. | Privacy is necessary for democracy due to bad actors. If you assume everyone is good, you can claim there is no need for privacy |
| AKMA | Hi, Dean |
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| Apr 1 | 9:00 AM |
| Brad T. | No Brett, it requires more than good, it requires sainthood |
| Apr 1 | 9:00 AM |
| Chris M. | Brett,
he just pointed out that people nonetheless want privacy (compensation
example--safety doesn't require that you disclose your comp) |
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| Brad T. | "Honey, why did you vote differently from me?" You're innocent, but you have something to hide. |
| AKMA | This "human nature" and "sainthood" topic brings the discourse to my turf |
| Brett G. | Innocent? Depends on whom you voted for. ;-) |
| Brad T. | I don't want to see my doctor nude |
| AKMA | You don't have my PCP |
| Brad T. | You selling angel dust? |
| Brad T. | (Yes, I know it means primary care physician) |
| Tony A. | has entered the room |
| AKMA | Saints, goodness, and now angels -- who knew F2C would be so theological |
| Brett G. | Daemons |
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| David I. | What he said about interrogation rooms: http://isen.com/blog/2008/02/24000-torture’Ķ |
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| Apr 1 | 9:05 AM |
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| Tom M. | Hi y'all. |
| Brett G. | (Picks up gun) Hello? Hello? [POW] |
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| Tom M. | policy not equal to any formula. |
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| Tom M. | The objections to *writing* itself were of the same sort as to subsequent subsequent innovations. |
| AKMA | Education is another area where technological disruption is having/will have even greater disruptive effects (if we let it) |
| Brad T. | Look where writing has gotten us. |
| Apr 1 | 9:10 AM |
| Tom M. | don't you mean *read* where writing has gotten us? |
| Brett G. | Where are we? |
| Chris S. | some rights are more equal than other rights |
| Chris S. | Bruce is calling for an end to the war on drugs? |
| Dean L. | the rise of the digital grandma (that scallywag!) |
| AKMA | Seat belt laws, motorcycle helmets |
| David I. | Chris ending it would be a GOOD IDEA!!! |
| David I. | Phasers on stun, folks! |
| Brett G. | Would Bruce want his books to be copied for free? |
| David I. | Brett, I hope you ask this in Q&A |
| AKMA | You may have free PDFs of my books, Brett; I write to be read, not to be paid |
| Chris R. | Some rights, in combination, make a wrong. |
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| Apr 1 | 9:15 AM |
| Chris S. | |
| Chris S. | looks like a warez site though |
| Brett G. | E-bookie? |
| Brad T. | The EFF's lawyers are very nice people. |
| Dean L. | Braad . . . ya think? |
| Chris S. | Yo Bruce, I see no mention of free digital copies of your books on your own website (http://www.schneier.com/books.html) - can you provide us a URL? |
| Dean L. | that second a was for attorney |
| Brad T. | I blame Microsoft |
| Brett G. | They've got too many political parties to fit on one spreadsheet? |
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| Apr 1 | 9:20 AM |
| Paul H. | has entered the room |
| Brett G. | Uh-oh. Watch out for those bloggers. |
| Brad T. | It was a British Isles NGO. (And BINGO was its name-o) |
| Brad T. | In Europe, the government has to know everything about you so it can protect your privacy. |
| Joshua A. | has entered the room |
| Brad T. | Never piss off a group of under-employed bloggers. |
| Dean L. | what!!! an underemployed blogger? |
| Jim R. | dean anyone that has time to blog |
| Jim R. | is an underemployed blogger |
| Dean L. | ++JR |
| Apr 1 | 9:25 AM |
| Steven C. | Dean, there's always the flip-side.... overworked bloggers (i.e., everyone whose job includes blogging) blogs at work) |
| Dean L. | that would be an overemployed blogger |
| Micah S. | |
| Brad T. | See, technology can turn everything upside-down! |
| Chris S. | sounds like the UK needs opensecrets.org and http://www.washingtonwatch.com |
| Brad T. | He's not our regular drummer |
| David I. | careful, Howard Levy's son is a drummer! |
| FACO | has left the room |
| David I. | Miles Levy might even sit in this afternoon . . . |
| AKMA | If he's not writing Linux drivers |
| David I. | Ha Ha! |
| Brad T. | Not another anti-DRM, linux device driver writing pop band drummer. |
| Tom M. | jazz and blues, brad; jazz andblues. |
| David I. | Miles can juggle knives too . . . |
| Brad T. | Java and bluetooth you mean. |
| David I. | while drumming and writing Linux drivers |
| Tom M. | anyone can do that -- as long as you aren't afraid of blood... |
| AKMA | "Waggy finger orgainzation" -- will remember that one |
| JoePlotkin | usually drummers prefer limo drivers |
| David I. | You belong to one akma |
| Brad T. | Volume, volume, volume. |
| Apr 1 | 9:30 AM |
| AKMA | Not when I preach |
| Tom M. | are your sermons on youtube, akma? |
| Brad T. | I am Sew of ORG, you shall be assimilated |
| AKMA | None on YouTube, a few mp3s out there |
| Brad T. | Ha |
| Chris S. | Isn't China's position on human rights a joke? |
| Tom M. | "a major u. in the uk" -- would that be cambridge or oxford? |
| Chris S. | AKMA, thats you, right? |
| Brad T. | My father can beat your father at dominos. |
| AKMA | That is I |
| Steven C. | yes Tom, the waggy finger universities |
| Chris S. | he wrote a keylogger. |
| AKMA | Saints, angels, goodness, priests |
| AKMA | preaching, waggy fingers |
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| Tom M. | Perhaps G-d is a terminate and stay resident process (just a thought). |
| Brad T. | And now, one by one, the stars are going out. |
| Aleecia M. | Christ will fg again? |
| Apr 1 | 9:35 AM |
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| David I. | Dirk ++ |
| David I. | Please ask about this! |
| Tom M. | an Arthur C. Clarke reference sneaks in -- he, certainly, was a TSR process. |
| Brad T. | You mean they all had keyloggers? |
| Dirk | |
| AKMA | Tenor a month; they always neglect us basses |
| Chris S. | Does Bruce have any say in this? He's the CTO of BT's managed security firm, not the BT mothership |
| Brett G. | I
did a keylogger for the IBM PC in something like 1984. In aseembler. It
was a way to recover what I had written if the machine crashed. |
| Dirk | Even
during the early phase of the BT/Phorm deal that the technical report
describes, the pair were preparing to spin the technology to the
public. "121Media [Phorm] will take action (both technical and public
relations) to avoid any perception that their system is a virus,
malware or spyware and to show that in effect it is a positive web
development," BT wrote in the report. |
| Brad T. | Like Bird Flu |
| Brett G. | "Cluck flu?" |
| AKMA | Click flu |
| David I. | :-) |
| Brad T. | Keep strutting and fretting upon the stage, Danny. |
| Tony A. | Brett: Wouldn't it have been easier to write a TSR which autosaves your work periodically? |
| Brett G. | Shall I compare thee to... |
| Apr 1 | 9:40 AM |
| Tom M. | "The values of any culture are often expressed as human rights." Is that what D. said? |
| Chris S. | It's not waterboarding if it's done by Americans. |
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| Brad T. | Turned out they only wanted to takedown copies of Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" from youtube. |
| Iz W. | no chris, waterboarding is not torture if done by americans. |
| Tony A. | Oh,
it's still waterboarding. We are just trying to say it isn't torture.
Repeat a lie long enough and some people believe it. |
| Chris S. | Tor is illegal in Brazil eh? |
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| Brett G. | The key logger saved to a nonvolatile RAM card whose contents could later be saved to disk. |
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| Tom M. | th' expense of spirit in a waste of shame is tcp/ip in action do i have thatright? |
| Jim R. | all you need is a dense population |
| Brett G. | But back then you used floppies and swapped them a lot, so you didn't want to just do a disk write. |
| Brad T. | Beebtube |
| Brett G. | Third party ISPs were hit even harder than BT. |
| Brett G. | They were paying twice to deliver the bits -- once for upstream and once to deliver them downstream. |
| Chris S. | BitTorrent with same-network favouritism would have solved the issues created by the BBC youtube. |
| Brett G. | Alas, it wouldn't have. It would have lowered the upstream charges but massively increased the local loop charges. |
| Apr 1 | 9:45 AM |
| Chris S. | Ok, well, yes.. but presumably, BT could/should have charged less for the local stuff. |
| Brett G. | It's the most expensive part of their network. |
| Brad T. | Why don't they all just ask their cable company to get the BBC America channel? |
| Chris S. | oink.cd (and it's replacement, waffle.fm) are closed networks, and they're pretty amazing. |
| shep | |
| Brad T. | Protecting you from the Golden Shower of foreign data |
| Brett G. | The Great Firewall of China is not an impenetrable wall. It's a crumbly wall that drops stones on you at random. |
| Iz W. | probably whyville |
| Chris S. | Like the lead paint on our toys. It flakes with a tiny bit of prodding. |
| Brad T. | Great wall: Failing to repel mongol hordes for 2 thousand years |
| Brad T. | So we should be able to buy pollution trading credits for privacy leaks. |
| Brett G. | Toxic waste |
| Tony A. | We're afraid to throw our data away AND afraid to keep it. |
| Chris S. | Isn't it easier just to put an industry goon in charge of the EPA? |
| JoePlotkin | lets all recycle our bits |
| Apr 1 | 9:50 AM |
| Chris S. | Bruce needs a better lawyer. |
| Steven C. | Tony ++ |
| Brett G. | This message printed with 100% recycled electrons.... No atoms were smashed during the making of this message |
| David I. | is "security theatre" an operative concept on line? |
| Brad T. | Cute, David |
| David I. | I associate it with TSA stuff and govt stuff, but how about on line? |
| Brad T. | I mean here we are talking about security in a theater with Bruce |
| Tony A. | Brett: Actually not. This transcript will live for years on some server. It cost real physical magnetic media. |
| Chris S. | Bruce - if you get offered Chertoff's job as head of DHS under Obama, will you take it? |
| David I. | Phorm |
| Brett G. | What you mean to say is that you spent physical media on it. |
| Brett G. | You could have chosen not to. |
| David I. | Bruece for Homeland Security Czar! |
| Brad T. | Back to the ministry of information |
| Chris S. | Security Theatre 2.0 (now enhanced by TwoFish) |
| Brad T. | It's like if the NSA ran GMail |
| Brad T. | Without telling you |
| David I. | Bruce, you don't HAVE to serch on google |
| Brett G. | [Imitates Alfred Hithcock:] Gooooooodevening. |
| Adam | has entered the room |
| David I. | you don't HAVE to use Gmail |
| Brett G. | The googleplex |
| Brad T. | Goopologists |
| Chris S. | That is, unless your university adopts gmail/google apps. |
| Iz W. | Tony, actually we are not allowed to throw it away. |
| Chris S. | What if I cover my data with peanut butter? |
| JoePlotkin | somehow Orwellian doesnt seem severe enuf adjective |
| Aleecia M. | And you don't have to do rural farming? |
| Brad T. | Depends on the dog. |
| David I. | so it is different than a quasi-monopoly infrastructure provider |
| Adam | and project canoe seems to be doing the same thing for cable -- clickstream monitoring in the set-top box |
| Brad T. | The dog has a live webcam |
| shep | It's like the dog taking a photo of you naked. |
| Brad T. | But that means the internet knows he's a dog |
| Brett G. | On the Internet, you wouldn't know he was a dog without the Webcam |
| Jim R. | so that why the dog was rolling over and laughing. |
| Iz W. | hi gerry! |
| Apr 1 | 9:55 AM |
| Steven C. | think how efficient it would be if the U.S. head of DHS and the UK Minister of Security were one and the same person |
| Brett G. | I want a bloggie bag |
| Chris S. | What
is Orbitz's policy w/regard to passenger's meal choices. Can the FBI
come to you and ask for every passenger who has requested a muslim
friendly meal? |
| Brad T. | The wreck of the Data Valdez |
| Brett G. | All those poor seabirds coated in toxic data |
| Drew C. | has entered the room |
| Iz W. | too bad we don't have flickr pictures of george bush in his fraternity days |
| Dean L. | does one have to pick up after one's cyberdogs? |
| Tom M. | cyberpoop? |
| Brett G. | Moore's (or is it More's) Law |
| Chris S. | Companies have to pay for backup tapes that they can later misplace |
| Adam | so how do we get the Internet to learn to forget? And what bits. |
| Drew C. | Google: On the Internet, no one know that you are a naked dog. |
| Brad T. | And then in the future, the AIs can go back and examine it. |
| Iz W. | I gotta get me some kibbles and bits |
| David I. | Saving it is one thing, retrieving it is another |
| Brad T. | However, I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords. |
| Dean L. | so this is whatthe NSA means by "grooming" |
| David I. | If it is on tape, who's gonna search it? |
| Brett G. | Fortunately, most people are very bad at writing search terms. |
| judi | so web 3.0 / semantic web will make a whole new story out of this marginal value data |
| Chris S. | And yet you were somehow told even though you didn't have a data breach law. |
| Brett G. | Maybe the best solution is to let it pile up in such a huge mountain that it's impractical to search (sorry, Google) |
| Brad T. | I lost 2 CDs with the Beatles White Album on them . |
| Chris S. | We had to wait for a law in California to be told about Choicepoint's gigantic screwup |
| AKMA | Brad: Talk about valuable data! |
| Brad T. | Time for another letter, apologizing for the not delivered letter. |
| Chris S. | can data breach letters result in an endless loop? |
| JoePlotkin | data leaking=pee2pee? |
| David I. | I've had to replace my credit card twice in the last year thx to fraudulent transactions |
| Dirk | The Dutch 'IRS' recently lost 800,000 tax returns... |
| Brett G. | Actually, the BIG problem is that you can get so much of it about one person with a single number. |
| Steven C. | NYNEX once sent all its customers their PINs on postcards |
| Apr 1 | 10:00 AM |
| Brett G. | It's the indexing of it that can be dangerous. |
| AKMA | Joe: data security as digital prostate problem? |
| Brett G. | Most
people's mortgages, deeds, etc. are at the County Courthouse, but it's
when a data collection firm comes in and ties it to your SSN that
there's a risk |
| judi | semantic web! |
| Chris S. | The copyright holders need a version of Mary Bono-Mack if they want to beat the pesky activists. |
| David I. | Speaking: Nick Givertovsky (sp?) |
| Brett G. | We can melt it down and use it over again |
| Apr 1 | 10:05 AM |
| Dean L. | do fundamentalists have the market on fundamental rights? |
| Brett G. | "Bought and Sold " -- Dar Williams |
| Chris S. | Homer Simpson sold his soul for a doughnut. We sell our data privacy rights for access to google's fantastic webmail interface. |
| AKMA | |
| AKMA | |
| JoePlotkin | chris s ++ |
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| Chris S. | Didn't the US opt out of that once the president decided he could do whatever he wanted? |
| Michael W. | |
| Chris S. | Gigi++ |
| FACO | has entered the room |
| Dean L. | time traveling super robots from teh future -- been there, done that |
| Chris S. | Just as we've used DNA collected 30 years ago to investigate old crimes |
| Chris S. | The data of today is the problem of tomorrow |
| AKMA | Saints, angels, preaching, goodness, priests, and sin |
| Brett G. | |
| Brett G. | A "sell by" date? |
| Chris S. | Bruce - throw a bone to the bloggers. Head of DHS under Obama? |
| AKMA | Jorge Luis Broges, "Funes the Memorious" |
| Tom M. | yup... |
| Brad T. | I saw a paper of that, can't remember where. |
| Brett G. | The heat death of society? |
| Apr 1 | 10:10 AM |
| Brett G. | Lethe |
| Jim R. | drowning in our own fecal data. |
| Tom M. | the mind of a mnemonist -- luria |
| David I. | Plus there's a cultural thing in the US -- ride west three days and start over . . . |
| Micah S. | we're going to have to forget what we put on our Facebook pages at age 18 |
| Tom M. | you're not *that* young, micah |
| Brad T. | I made Kathryn pledge never to search my old USENET posts. |
| Chris S. | The tweens still went nuts in response to Facebook's news feeds. |
| JoePlotkin | im glad there was no facebook when i was 18 |
| Jim R. | has left the room |
| Micah S. | speaking in the royal "we" Tom |
| David I. | me too, Joe :-) |
| Tom M. | :) |
| Steven C. | I wrote about this at the very end of a profile of Gordon Bell's MyLifeBits project http://spectrum.ieee.org/print/2153 |
| Dean L. | Micah -- only the Brits can speak in that royal sense |
| Brad T. | How about for what I do while I'm old and foolish? |
| Brett G. | I had a competitor who posted accounts of drinking binges on Facebook.... Prospective clients found them. Oops! |
| Micah S. | i was so much older than, I'm much much younger now |
| Chris S. | What about Youthful Indiscretions when you're 40 years old? |
| David I. | danah boyd++++++ |
| AKMA | "society of permanent teenagers" -- another good one from Suw |
| shep | |
| Micah S. | have you watched what adults wear these days when they fly somewhere? sweatpants? it is a society of permanent teenagers |
| Steven C. | referring
to Frank Nack: "Forgetting makes our life bearable," Nack wrote, "and
is closely related to cultural concepts, such as forgiveness and
absolution. I wonder if removing this human imperfection, namely to
forget, would do more harm than good." |
| Russ N. | has entered the room |
| Russ N. | morning, all. Hi, Bruce! Hi, Suw! |
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| Russ N. | Oh, doh, you're on break and all out in the lobby. |
| judi | Hi Russ |
| judi | Not everyone. |
| Apr 1 | 10:25 AM |
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| Apr 1 | 10:30 AM |
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| Glenn S. | I thought that this was a conference on Harmonica playing...and this guy is doing a great job!! |
| Tom M. | has entered the room |
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| Apr 1 | 10:55 AM |
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| Dirk | has entered the room |
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| Tony A. | Can we find the music on plastic or the net? |
| Paul H. | has entered the room |
| judi | for those who are here, you can find it on stage in front of the musicians |
| Tom M. | http://www.imtfolk.org/html/imt08_howardlevy.html -- info on howard's concert |
| Paul H. | |
| Iz W. | I
need to make a quick announcement as well -- social media club of DC
(it's a nationwide organization) did F2C a favor and promoted us on
their blog and in their newsletter. So we promised to let all of you
know about them, and also the upcoming BlogPotomac conference. Join us
for BlogPotomac, Washington DC's premiere social media marketing event
on June 13, 2008 (http://www.blogpotomac.com). |
| Harold F. | You guys do GREAT work!!!! |
| Jim R. | has entered the room |
| Chris S. | Will anyone be going to Washington Dulles Airport later, and has a free (as in beer) spot in their taxi/car? (email csoghoian@gmail.com) if you do. |
| Mike W. | Pew has your number.... |
| Paul H. | BlogPotomac looks good, I may go myself. |
| shep | Telephone surveys annoy me when they make my phone ring. |
| Brad T. | The guys I always hang up on. Digit dial surveys only get people who use phones, answer them and talk to survey takers. |
| AKMA | has entered the room |
| Iz W. | shep I think these are online surveys |
| judi | View paste
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| Mike W. | hmm, don't you think the FCC could... oh never mind. |
| Apr 1 | 11:00 AM |
| Mike W. | people are just so clever! |
| Harold F. | Laugh while you can, code monkey, but actually measuring this stuff is real useful in policy land. |
| JoePlotkin | "its a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St Hubbins |
| alex i. | and some people want to make sure it's measured wrong. . . |
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| Harold F. | Alex, sad but true. |
| Tony A. | We'll keep counting the votes until the numbers come out right! |
| Brett G. | So should we have a "clever" network, then? |
| Harold F. | But PEW jas a good rep and is transparent in their methodology/ |
| Brett G. | "Code monkey get up, get coffee...." - J. Coulton |
| alex i. | which is good |
| alex i. | also pew releases data for free |
| alex i. | pew releases data for free |
| Aleecia M. | |
| Micah S. | i want to know how this varies by geography... |
| Apr 1 | 11:05 AM |
| Harold F. | They use chat rooms during conferences . . . . |
| John S. | has entered the room |
| Brett G. | Livin' La Vida broadban.... |
| Mike W. | Pew
consistently proves that Internet users do things and use things that
the telecom oligarchs tell us are impossible, unlikely, or not
significant |
| Brett G. | (ooops, "broadband") |
| Aleecia M. | actually: http://www.pewinternet.org/quiz/quiz.asp |
| Micah S. | couple of folks here from the midwest were describing how this level of co-creation is not as prevalent there |
| Darcy G. | has entered the room |
| alex i. | |
| Mike W. | Micah, poor quality deployment and access is a major problem in the MW |
| Russ N. | hrm. the midwest had a higher penetration of telephones 120 years ago than did NYC |
| Brett G. | The norms are different in that region. Less playful. |
| judi | hey, some peoples' vcrs have been blinking 12:00 for years. |
| Frank P. | |
| Iz W. | judi - even some of the people in this room |
| Brett G. | We
have some users whom we call "midnight flashers." These are the people
whose VCRs are always blinking midnight because they can't set them.... |
| Mike W. | People in the Midwest 'less playful'? You must be kidding. Humor is mined as a natural resource in the Midwest. |
| Brett G. | In my experience, in the midwest, there are stricter rules for play. |
| Frank P. | Brett: VCRs??? |
| Brad T. | How can I get my VCR to flash "1:00" during daylight time? |
| Iz W. | In fact I am from Milwaukee. |
| Dirk | |
| Brett G. | Yes, VCRs. Not everyone has a Tivo. |
| Micah S. | Mary
Godwin, who is here, was telling me how her high school students in MN
were way behind the curve, compared to middle school kids in NY |
| Mike W. | But wait John, AT&T told us telemedicine is impossible unless we give them 'regulatory relief' (a legislative enema?) |
| Frank P. | VCR = 8 inch floppy |
| alex i. | |
| alex i. | |
| Mary B. | ...WHere |
| Iz W. | HEckle!!!!!! |
| Brad T. | Made you look |
| Apr 1 | 11:10 AM |
| Russ N. | FrankP: DVD = 5 inch floppy |
| alex i. | iz b hecklebot? |
| Mike W. | aw Drew... compliments will get you everywhere |
| Russ N. | HD-DVD = 3.5" floppy |
| Brad T. | Tivo == 3.5" floppy |
| Tom M. | CD=CD |
| Mary B. | Where the women are strong ..the men are good looking and all the children are above average... That's Lake Wobegan MN |
| Brett G. | Maw, we have to go to participate in the census.... Hope there is room at the inn. |
| alex i. | most bband data excludes: work and universities and govt |
| Mike W. | No room here, but you can go sleep in the manger, Brett |
| David I. | has entered the room |
| Brett G. | On the Internet, no one knows that you're the dog in the manger. |
| Nicholas G. | has left the room |
| Russ N. | alex i.: I know a number of people who surf at work because home is slow. |
| Angela S. | As do I. |
| Harold F. | We've gone from government outsourcing critical functions to citizens outsourcing it for the government. |
| Suw C. | has entered the room |
| Brett G. | The danger of allowing comments is that providers can trash one another. |
| Harold F. | I'm so happy. |
| JoePlotkin | um, isnt this similar to dslreports.com |
| Mike W. | check |
| Brett G. | Hotel owners already do that on the hotel review sites. |
| Harold F. | I expect Drew will cover verification. Right Drew? |
| Mike W. | and you can just click on an ad to get service... not |
| David I. | this
is a GREAT use of crowd-sourcing! Please, everybody, participate. The
benefits of your participation will accrue to all, and lead to
increasing returns. |
| David I. | Farold, do you actually think bb census will be spoofed or hacked? |
| Brett G. | When
someone looks up broadband in my area, can I get placement in that
right hand column so folks know that there isn't just a duopoly? |
| David I. | Harold . . . sorry |
| Angela S. | Their data only comes from folks entering it? About their address? On their own? |
| Harold F. | Actually,
there is an excellent use here of identifying the random houses on a
block that are just a smidge to far from the central office or at the
wrong end of the cul de sac. |
| Apr 1 | 11:15 AM |
| Chris S. | Is
price discrimination a good or bad thing for Internet? I pay less for
my DSL than my neighbors, simply because I knew to ask for AT&T
super secret naked DSL service. |
| Harold F. | David: if this becomes a useful and reliable source, expect industry actors to try to manipulate it. |
| Chris S. | In some way, the folks next door paying $60 per month keep my prices lower. |
| Suw C. | this will be useful when my husband and I are deciding where to live in the US. |
| Katy S. | there is a thumb drive at the registration desk (lost and found) |
| Harold F. | Chris: you got a merger condition benefit. your neighbors are irrelevant. |
| Chris S. | Price
discrimination in the airline industry is something I am ok with. Well,
at least as long as I'm a student and getting cheap tickets. |
| Russ N. | ST. Lawrence County is running a broadband census right now. |
| David I. | good pt harold |
| Russ N. | |
| Brad T. | Naked DSL was cheaper? In most places it's more expensive. |
| Brett G. | Chris: And willing to cram yourself into a seat the size of a shoe box. |
| Chris S. | Harold: The merger specified that they offer naked DSL, not the price |
| Brad T. | Site refuses to take my entry. |
| Chris S. | http://www.cnet.com/8301-13739_1-9822662-46.html (Naked DSL from AT&T) - I pay $28 per month for 3Mbits, with no taxes at all. |
| Dean L. | naked
DSL costs more because it creates a billing event -- and what could be
more opportune than (drum roll) yet another billing event for a telco?! |
| Harold F. | No,
the AT&T/BS merger did specify price, because when they had naked
DSL as a condition in the previous merger, AT&T set the price as
only $1 less then bundled. |
| Chris S. | Before, I had to pay $27, plus a barebones phoneline, and a bunch of taxes. |
| Tom M. | i took the test and got 1.8mb/sec down |
| Chris S. | By the time the bill came, I was paying $45 per month. Naked DSL is a big savings |
| Brett G. | Naked DSL is becoming more palatable to the Bells because as people switch to cell phones, they have excess copper plant |
| Brad T. | I click "continue" and it just shows the same page |
| Brett G. | On Qwest, naked DSL cost MORE than DSL on a measured rate line |
| Dean L. | as a suburban NY Metro Verizon customer, Naked DL would cost me about $60 more per month |
| Joshua A. | has entered the room |
| Brett G. | All the cable and telephone companies want to bundle you |
| Brett G. | ...with a long contract that locks you in |
| alex i. | I use Speakeasy (--Covad -- VZ) but it's not cheap |
| Joshua A. | to Joe's comment, it would be good to merge this with data from DSLreports |
| Chris S. | Right, so the point is, that AT&T finally has reasonably priced DSL.. and they do their best to keep it secret. |
| Apr 1 | 11:20 AM |
| Chris S. | DSLreports.com is by far the best source for info..including pricing information. |
| JoePlotkin | wholesale rate for entire loop (naked) is higher than high freq portion (line shared) |
| Suw C. | this data would be great as a map mash-up |
| David I. | suw +++ |
| Chris S. | Suw: It looks like the data is CC licensed. |
| JoePlotkin | Drew should partner with dslr - they dont have his more formal methodology |
| alex i. | drewclark.com (h/t f. paynter) |
| Frank P. | |
| Harold F. | There is a strong economic incentive to drive users to bundled services. I discuss this ad naseum here: http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/1050 |
| alex i. | mark on PBS ++++ |
| Brett G. | Straddling the Beltway? |
| Mike W. | I also use speakeasy, but they are not listed as a provider on the web site |
| Joshua A. | i wonder if improvements to speed testing methodology will make the historical data less useful |
| JoePlotkin | we offer naked DSL thru Covad |
| Brett G. | Stealing music is one of the best successes of the Internet. |
| Brett G. | It's just so easy and effective. |
| Tony A. | There doesn't seem to be a way (on the census) to tell the system that you know of other providers in your area. |
| Dean L. | a rapacious oligopoly - now there's a term! |
| Chris S. | And now the industry has gotten into bed with Steve Jobs, who they fear as much as WalMart. |
| Joshua A. | "outrageous prices" -- except that the record labels actually weren't and aren't making much money |
| Heath R. | I went to grade school with A. Rapacious Oligopoly. |
| Brad T. | How much rent do you charge for your basement? |
| Dean L. | unsigned artist = artist not getting ^@&#*@ed by the record companies of yore |
| Joshua A. | "oligopoly" -- except that there are more record labels than you can count |
| alex i. | garageband.com, songza.com |
| Brett G. | I am an unsigned artist and the albums on which I've performed seem to be more pirated than bought. |
| Chris S. | Where does Trent Reznor's multi-million $$ label-less online deal fit in? |
| Apr 1 | 11:25 AM |
| Chris S. | Brett: Sell t-shirts |
| JoePlotkin | Mark is dead on - may the record label rest in peace |
| Brett G. | We don't have distribution and so the easiest way to get them is P2P |
| Chris S. |